Update: NIMBY’s Slam David Grasso’s Toolbox 57-38

This went just about how we thought it would: Fishtown neighbors voted 57 opposed and 38 in favor of David Grasso’s proposed 2,600-capacity live music venue at a neighborhood zoning meeting held last night. Early reports had suggested that zoning for Grasso’s venue had been grandfathered in, with a City Council/Frank DiCicco-led exemption from a nightclub ban along Delaware Avenue, which had us wondering why Grasso would go pleading to neighbors in the first place. But as this Brownstoner report explains, that exemption is far from set in stone, and after last night’s vote, DiCicco and Grasso vowed to come back to neighbors with an amended ordinance in the hopes that there can be some compromise between the developer and neighbors. For his part, Grasso continued to gun against the Electric Factory, the venue that most believe would be Grasso’s direct competition, flatly stating at the meeting that “a lot of artists won’t play at the Electric Factory” — thereby continuing a pattern of what seems to be disinformation as well as fueling rumors that Grasso’s venue would be booked by Live Nation, which parted ways with the Factory last winter. Meanwhile, no neighborhood meeting about a proposed venue in Fishtown would be complete, and this one had lots of debate about what a “club” is or is not, and whether or not Grasso’s venues would ever feature “DJs.” According to one tipster on the scene, “Only in Fishtown would you have people complaining about potential tailgaters while drinking beer in a church at a community meeting.”

  • http://jtramsay.com J T. Ramsay

    Can someone please explain how the local music scene would benefit from having two underbooked venues of equal size? Remember when no one played the Tower?

    We haven’t even begun to discuss the myriad infrastructural issues that this would face, like the sorry state of Richmond Street just for starters.

  • Fagnew

    To be fair that woman was drinking a blueberry soda and NOT a beer. The tower is a 3,000 person seated theater. Not a scalable 2,600 capacity room. Two rooms of this size can easily exist in Philadelphia.

  • Make Me Dance

    I am too overwhelmed by both the possible good and bad ramifications of this to fully form an opinion.

  • http://markskull.blogspot.com/ Larry

    The main problem right now is that a LOT of acts of bypassing Philly to play Atlantic City, Camden, and even Allentown. Philadelphia is a great market, but they’re going to other venues for a reason.

    It could be Live Nation, but I think its because there isn’t a GREAT medium-sized venue in Philly between The Troc and Wells Fargo Center (Spectrum?). The Electric Factory is OK, but it always tends to attract a ton of idiots and jocks who aren’t into the music, just the fact that its the Electric Factory.

    There DOES need to be another alternative in the city limits.

  • emmkay

    *sigh* i still have some dwindling hope, but knew that a decent-size theater that I could walk to was too good to be true.

  • Jam

    I was at the presentation last night and thought this was a great idea for that section of the watefront and the music scene as well. A world class venue coming to a secluded section of Fishtown would only spur on more competion and options for more acts to come into the area. When you see how desolate and away from homes this proposed music venue is at 2055 Richmond St you see it working there. It’s close to I-95 exits, trolleys and two major roads. I say bring on the music competion. I would rather Fishtown be known for a quality music venue like this along the waterfront than the SugarHouse Casino a mile south of this proposed project.

  • http://jtramsay.com J T. Ramsay

    Not for nothing, but you guys are talking like live music is a growth industry. I know Electric Factory is hardly perfect, but this venue would only really “work” if artists like Rihanna, etc. ditch the shed across the river and start charging $150 a ticket.

    Do we really need an overstuffed World Cafe Live so we can see Mastodon in Fishtown?