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> <channel><title>Comments on: Food For Thought: A Brief History Of American Waterfronts,Via David Byrne&#8217;s Bicycle Diaries</title> <atom:link href="http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/</link> <description>philly&#039;s longest-standing cityblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:04:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: CityMaps</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15184</link> <dc:creator>CityMaps</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:20:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15184</guid> <description>Well, AquaBoogie, it would discourage more people from using their cars, for one.  Second, distributing the remainder through the grid isn&#039;t as traumatic as you think.  Think water through a colander rather than a funnel.  This has worked successfully in Milwaukee, among other places.I also have to correct you on your other point: it is absolutely a problem nationally!  You say it isn&#039;t in DC, but near the Watergate you can&#039;t get to the river from town because of the Rock Creek Expressway, and parts of SE and SW are even worse.  Across the river, Arlington is separated from the Potomac in more places than it is not, thanks to the parkway there. Planners and civic boosters in DC would love nothing more than to tear those out.It is an issue from coast-to-coast...Seattle has the Alaska Way Viaduct...St Louis has I-70....Cincinnati has Fort Washington Way...Hartford has I-91...plus SanFran, as was already mentioned.  There are groups in each of those cities trying hard to correct mistakes made years ago, just like some are here.Places like LA or Houston or Phoenix have either paved their rivers in to concrete culverts (LA) or don&#039;t have riverfronts downtown at all.  Would you rather not have that problem?So, a concern nationally: YES.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, AquaBoogie, it would discourage more people from using their cars, for one.  Second, distributing the remainder through the grid isn&#8217;t as traumatic as you think.  Think water through a colander rather than a funnel.  This has worked successfully in Milwaukee, among other places.</p><p>I also have to correct you on your other point: it is absolutely a problem nationally!  You say it isn&#8217;t in DC, but near the Watergate you can&#8217;t get to the river from town because of the Rock Creek Expressway, and parts of SE and SW are even worse.  Across the river, Arlington is separated from the Potomac in more places than it is not, thanks to the parkway there. Planners and civic boosters in DC would love nothing more than to tear those out.</p><p>It is an issue from coast-to-coast&#8230;Seattle has the Alaska Way Viaduct&#8230;St Louis has I-70&#8230;.Cincinnati has Fort Washington Way&#8230;Hartford has I-91&#8230;plus SanFran, as was already mentioned.  There are groups in each of those cities trying hard to correct mistakes made years ago, just like some are here.</p><p>Places like LA or Houston or Phoenix have either paved their rivers in to concrete culverts (LA) or don&#8217;t have riverfronts downtown at all.  Would you rather not have that problem?</p><p>So, a concern nationally: YES.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AquaBoogie</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15061</link> <dc:creator>AquaBoogie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15061</guid> <description>Again, didn&#039;t say it wasn&#039;t an issue, but I guess when I hear &quot;national&quot; problem, I assume it affects more than 3-4 cities ......It&#039;s a matter of the definition of the word.  Not the issue.But then again, without reading the website (no time at the moment), what are the proposals to handle some of the logistical issues removing these highways would produce?  Philly, ok, it&#039;s a piece of 95, but the West Side Highway in Manhattan ....  how would it handle the volume of NYC cars getting around Manhattan vs. merely through Manhattan as Byrne suggests?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, didn&#8217;t say it wasn&#8217;t an issue, but I guess when I hear &#8220;national&#8221; problem, I assume it affects more than 3-4 cities &#8230;&#8230;</p><p>It&#8217;s a matter of the definition of the word.  Not the issue.</p><p>But then again, without reading the website (no time at the moment), what are the proposals to handle some of the logistical issues removing these highways would produce?  Philly, ok, it&#8217;s a piece of 95, but the West Side Highway in Manhattan &#8230;.  how would it handle the volume of NYC cars getting around Manhattan vs. merely through Manhattan as Byrne suggests?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: julie.t</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15059</link> <dc:creator>julie.t</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:36:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15059</guid> <description>AquaBoogie, I direct you to a compendium of case studies introduced by John Norquist, head of the Congress for New Urbanism, on tearing down highways in cities (the site isn&#039;t the prettiest, but helpfully information-packed):
http://www.preservenet.com/freeways/index.htmlMost of these address highways directly connected to waterways. It&#039;s a national issue alright. And there are some seriously compelling examples (San Francisco) of entire neighborhoods being pulled out of disinvestment by reconnecting them to their waterfronts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AquaBoogie, I direct you to a compendium of case studies introduced by John Norquist, head of the Congress for New Urbanism, on tearing down highways in cities (the site isn&#8217;t the prettiest, but helpfully information-packed):<br
/> <a
href="http://www.preservenet.com/freeways/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.preservenet.com/freeways/index.html</a></p><p>Most of these address highways directly connected to waterways. It&#8217;s a national issue alright. And there are some seriously compelling examples (San Francisco) of entire neighborhoods being pulled out of disinvestment by reconnecting them to their waterfronts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lutton</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15033</link> <dc:creator>lutton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15033</guid> <description>Boston?  C&#039;mon, they had to have that whole big dig to reconnect the harbor to the city.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston?  C&#8217;mon, they had to have that whole big dig to reconnect the harbor to the city.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: arcticsplasher</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15026</link> <dc:creator>arcticsplasher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15026</guid> <description>According to PennDOT&#039;s numbers, Delaware Ave north of Market Street carries two thirds of what Spring Garden west of Broad handles (22,000 vs 33,000), yet Del Ave has two more lanes.  We could easily convert the outter lanes into a full-on bike paths.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to PennDOT&#8217;s numbers, Delaware Ave north of Market Street carries two thirds of what Spring Garden west of Broad handles (22,000 vs 33,000), yet Del Ave has two more lanes.  We could easily convert the outter lanes into a full-on bike paths.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AquaBoogie</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15018</link> <dc:creator>AquaBoogie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15018</guid> <description>I wouldn&#039;t really say the problem here is national, per se.  Yes, it is an issue, but I think it his viewpoint (and our acceptance of that viewpoint) is exaggerated by the fact that the major point of reference for the reader(s) (Philly) and the writer (Baltimore) are faced with this scenario.  I don&#039;t necessarily see it being that much of an issue in say DC, or LA, Houston, Boston, Chicago, etc.  (NY, maybe a little, but still, not so much.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t really say the problem here is national, per se.  Yes, it is an issue, but I think it his viewpoint (and our acceptance of that viewpoint) is exaggerated by the fact that the major point of reference for the reader(s) (Philly) and the writer (Baltimore) are faced with this scenario.  I don&#8217;t necessarily see it being that much of an issue in say DC, or LA, Houston, Boston, Chicago, etc.  (NY, maybe a little, but still, not so much.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: schmoe</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-15014</link> <dc:creator>schmoe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-15014</guid> <description>David Byrne is an urban planner at heart. More Songs About Buildings and Food, (Nothing But) Flowers, and Cities! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IZG6Ryeis#movie_player</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Byrne is an urban planner at heart. More Songs About Buildings and Food, (Nothing But) Flowers, and Cities! <a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IZG6Ryeis#movie_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IZG6Ryeis#movie_player</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: barryg</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/10/13/food-for-thought-a-brief-history-of-american-waterfrontsvia-david-byrnes-bicycle-diaries/comment-page-1/#comment-14997</link> <dc:creator>barryg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=27681#comment-14997</guid> <description>Go west, young man.  As in the Schuylkill.  That waterfront is bangin&#039;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go west, young man.  As in the Schuylkill.  That waterfront is bangin&#8217;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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