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> <channel><title>Comments on: From The Desk Of Kristine Kennedy: You Gotta Be Kidding Me, SEPTA</title> <atom:link href="http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/</link> <description>philly&#039;s longest-standing cityblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:04:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Nate</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9875</link> <dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:29:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9875</guid> <description>AFR sums up my feelings pretty nicely. SEPTA workers are overcompensated for what they do relative to what private sector workers with similar jobs make, and they have better benefits and job security too. The idea of SEPTA striking for anything is extremely unsympathetic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFR sums up my feelings pretty nicely. SEPTA workers are overcompensated for what they do relative to what private sector workers with similar jobs make, and they have better benefits and job security too. The idea of SEPTA striking for anything is extremely unsympathetic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A Feculent Rainbow</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9859</link> <dc:creator>A Feculent Rainbow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9859</guid> <description>&quot;Transport Workers Union President Willie Brown has notified SEPTA that the Union will not strike at 12:00 midnight on March 14th, when the bargaining agreement between SEPTA and TWU is set to expire.&quot; - http://www.septa.com/sip/I would very much like to side with labor as a rule of thumb.  However, this union does not work for some evil for-profit corporation; they work for us, the USA, PA and Philadelphia tax payers.  SEPTA, as a business, does not even cover half of its costs of operation.  The rest of the money comes from Federal, State and local subsidies.  Why?  BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SERVICE.  Some might even say that SEPTA service compares to services like Police, Firefighters, Trash Collection [cough, cough].  If any of these services were to strike, there would be holy hell. There better be an astonishing social injustice behind that kind of strike.With SEPTA, in my experience over the last decade, you have amazingly poor customer service - be it behind the counter or on the bus/trolley/subway (regional rail is separate from this potential labor dispute).  I&#039;m sure many bus/trolley/subway riders would agree.  It&#039;s really tough to get behind rude/ignorant/unhelpful/entitled people when their benefits come out of our pockets either by fare or through taxes.  Being that many riders who rely (not appreciate, but rely) upon SEPTA services could only hope to be paid (including benefits) as SEPTA employees are, there is little support there as well when the strike happens.I can sympathize with having to bear a new brunt of Healthcare costs - as almost everyone else has to do the same.  However, until SEPTA wields more union/political power for the greater Healthcare reform movement [Single Payer, hollah!] - I will lend a deaf ear to their, &quot;just cause you lost yours, doesn&#039;t mean I can&#039;t keep mine&quot; argument when they essentially coerce the rest of us underinsureds to foot their bill simply to have them resume their essential services.Certain unions give the union movement, in general, a bad name.  I would say that the Transport Workers Union falls into this category.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Transport Workers Union President Willie Brown has notified SEPTA that the Union will not strike at 12:00 midnight on March 14th, when the bargaining agreement between SEPTA and TWU is set to expire.&#8221; &#8211; <a
href="http://www.septa.com/sip/" rel="nofollow">http://www.septa.com/sip/</a></p><p>I would very much like to side with labor as a rule of thumb.  However, this union does not work for some evil for-profit corporation; they work for us, the USA, PA and Philadelphia tax payers.  SEPTA, as a business, does not even cover half of its costs of operation.  The rest of the money comes from Federal, State and local subsidies.  Why?  BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SERVICE.  Some might even say that SEPTA service compares to services like Police, Firefighters, Trash Collection [cough, cough].  If any of these services were to strike, there would be holy hell. There better be an astonishing social injustice behind that kind of strike.</p><p>With SEPTA, in my experience over the last decade, you have amazingly poor customer service &#8211; be it behind the counter or on the bus/trolley/subway (regional rail is separate from this potential labor dispute).  I&#8217;m sure many bus/trolley/subway riders would agree.  It&#8217;s really tough to get behind rude/ignorant/unhelpful/entitled people when their benefits come out of our pockets either by fare or through taxes.  Being that many riders who rely (not appreciate, but rely) upon SEPTA services could only hope to be paid (including benefits) as SEPTA employees are, there is little support there as well when the strike happens.</p><p>I can sympathize with having to bear a new brunt of Healthcare costs &#8211; as almost everyone else has to do the same.  However, until SEPTA wields more union/political power for the greater Healthcare reform movement [Single Payer, hollah!] &#8211; I will lend a deaf ear to their, &#8220;just cause you lost yours, doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t keep mine&#8221; argument when they essentially coerce the rest of us underinsureds to foot their bill simply to have them resume their essential services.</p><p>Certain unions give the union movement, in general, a bad name.  I would say that the Transport Workers Union falls into this category.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: C. The Impaler</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9855</link> <dc:creator>C. The Impaler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9855</guid> <description>Ramsay, what the hell are you talking about? No one&#039;s taking SEPTA&#039;s workers to task for anything besides their own conduct on the job and bone-headedly threatening &quot;their fellow workers&quot; with a strike.  I know, what with you using Brokaw and Tom Hanksisms to wax about the golden days of Labor that they must be giving you some sort of aerosol in Comcast tower that makes you a bit fuzzy on the truths of blue collar workers; but public sector strikes should only be launched when a serious injustice must be remedied because their consequences don&#039;t hurt management but most often the needy.  What injustice needs to be remedied here?You know what happened the last time SEPTA workers went on strike?  People a lot worse off than SEPTA workers lost jobs permanently or temporarily.  And what did the noble SEPTA union win at that price?Again, what are they fighting for here?  And is that really worth the loss of money on the part of the less fortunate?I&#039;ll stop the hard asking questions, you can return to knee jerking your romantic view of labor and wet dream over how the &quot;Greatest Generation&quot; got things done through a spirit national unity (cough).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramsay, what the hell are you talking about? No one&#8217;s taking SEPTA&#8217;s workers to task for anything besides their own conduct on the job and bone-headedly threatening &#8220;their fellow workers&#8221; with a strike.  I know, what with you using Brokaw and Tom Hanksisms to wax about the golden days of Labor that they must be giving you some sort of aerosol in Comcast tower that makes you a bit fuzzy on the truths of blue collar workers; but public sector strikes should only be launched when a serious injustice must be remedied because their consequences don&#8217;t hurt management but most often the needy.  What injustice needs to be remedied here?</p><p>You know what happened the last time SEPTA workers went on strike?  People a lot worse off than SEPTA workers lost jobs permanently or temporarily.  And what did the noble SEPTA union win at that price?</p><p>Again, what are they fighting for here?  And is that really worth the loss of money on the part of the less fortunate?</p><p>I&#8217;ll stop the hard asking questions, you can return to knee jerking your romantic view of labor and wet dream over how the &#8220;Greatest Generation&#8221; got things done through a spirit national unity (cough).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: expat attack</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9852</link> <dc:creator>expat attack</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9852</guid> <description>@juliaPlease invite me and Mayor Nutter to your magical arboretum.  I&#039;m sure it will help solve the &quot;we&#039;ve got no money, but if we pay people more we&#039;ll get more money&quot; dilemma we both find ourselves in.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julia</p><p>Please invite me and Mayor Nutter to your magical arboretum.  I&#8217;m sure it will help solve the &#8220;we&#8217;ve got no money, but if we pay people more we&#8217;ll get more money&#8221; dilemma we both find ourselves in.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: julia</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9847</link> <dc:creator>julia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9847</guid> <description>I love when workers turn against each other, the mindset that every one should be doing as bad as I am is the real way to achieve progress.The reason cities and states are at budget deficits right now is because of loss of revenue, revenue lost by wages of those who were laid off.  The *last* thing we need right now is people making more money and putting more back into the pot.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when workers turn against each other, the mindset that every one should be doing as bad as I am is the real way to achieve progress.</p><p>The reason cities and states are at budget deficits right now is because of loss of revenue, revenue lost by wages of those who were laid off.  The *last* thing we need right now is people making more money and putting more back into the pot.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J T. Ramsay</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9846</link> <dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9846</guid> <description>Yeah, last I checked the workers don&#039;t actually make business decisions, they just operate the trolleys and buses and trains.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, last I checked the workers don&#8217;t actually make business decisions, they just operate the trolleys and buses and trains.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: C. The Impaler</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9844</link> <dc:creator>C. The Impaler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9844</guid> <description>mappy and J.T. Ramsay, put down your respective Howard Zinn and Tom Brokaw talking points.  You&#039;re backing a cause that was actually calling in its talking points for SEPTA to mis-use stimulus money.  There are plenty of legitimate grievances in Philadelphia, but SEPTA&#039;s bus, trolley, and subway workers don&#039;t have anything to stand on in this labor market.  A threatened strike is not a tactic to redress an actual wrong, it&#039;s extortion, plain and simple.broad brush, maybe, but as a frequent user of all Septa systems under a strike threat, I&#039;d say it pretty well matches the situation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mappy and J.T. Ramsay, put down your respective Howard Zinn and Tom Brokaw talking points.  You&#8217;re backing a cause that was actually calling in its talking points for SEPTA to mis-use stimulus money.  There are plenty of legitimate grievances in Philadelphia, but SEPTA&#8217;s bus, trolley, and subway workers don&#8217;t have anything to stand on in this labor market.  A threatened strike is not a tactic to redress an actual wrong, it&#8217;s extortion, plain and simple.</p><p>broad brush, maybe, but as a frequent user of all Septa systems under a strike threat, I&#8217;d say it pretty well matches the situation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J T. Ramsay</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9842</link> <dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9842</guid> <description>It&#039;s like the opposite of what our grandparents&#039; generation did! Weren&#039;t they the greatest?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like the opposite of what our grandparents&#8217; generation did! Weren&#8217;t they the greatest?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bhiladelphia</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9841</link> <dc:creator>bhiladelphia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:08:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9841</guid> <description>what if all the inky expats scabbed for septa</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if all the inky expats scabbed for septa</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zombie Larry</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2009/03/11/from-the-desk-of-kristine-kennedy-you-gotta-be-kidding-me-septa/comment-page-1/#comment-9839</link> <dc:creator>Zombie Larry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=20260#comment-9839</guid> <description>If SEPTA employees worked in a &quot;for profit&quot; enterprise, their lazy asses wouldn&#039;t last a week.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If SEPTA employees worked in a &#8220;for profit&#8221; enterprise, their lazy asses wouldn&#8217;t last a week.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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