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> <channel><title>Comments on: Readers Write: South Philly For McCain Group Not So Much With The Courage, The Truth, Or The Not-Forgetting Where You Came From</title> <atom:link href="http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/</link> <description>philly&#039;s longest-standing cityblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:04:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: John Lightstone</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6794</link> <dc:creator>John Lightstone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=15487#comment-6794</guid> <description>OK, so they&#039;re saying that living in South Philly is like being in a Vietnamese POW camp?  Or just that living in South Philly is good preparation if you ever are going to end up in a Vietnamese POW camp?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so they&#8217;re saying that living in South Philly is like being in a Vietnamese POW camp?  Or just that living in South Philly is good preparation if you ever are going to end up in a Vietnamese POW camp?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: C. The Impaler</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6792</link> <dc:creator>C. The Impaler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=15487#comment-6792</guid> <description>Doesn&#039;t look like Dremesi particularly cares for being mentioned in McCain campaign literature, or the South Philly for McCain people should do a bit more research on their adopted McCain surrogate (who below doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;d appreciate the association):&lt;i&gt;At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation&#039;s capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It&#039;s the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.There&#039;s a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a &quot;confession&quot; to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn&#039;t survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service&#039;s highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as &quot;one of the toughest guys I&#039;ve ever met.&quot;On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.&quot;I&#039;m going to the Middle East,&quot; Dramesi says. &quot;Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran.&quot;&quot;Why are you going to the Middle East?&quot; McCain asks, dismissively.&quot;It&#039;s a place we&#039;re probably going to have some problems,&quot; Dramesi says.&quot;Why? Where are you going to, John?&quot;&quot;Oh, I&#039;m going to Rio.&quot;&quot;What the hell are you going to Rio for?&quot;McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.&quot;I got a better chance of getting laid.&quot;Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. &quot;McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man,&quot; Dramesi says today. &quot;But he&#039;s still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;From Rolling Stone &quot;Make Believe Maverick&quot;:http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/printAlso, according to this POW bio, it&#039;s unclear whether Dramesi is really &quot;from Philly&quot;:http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/d/d059.htmLot of good people in South Philly, but there are some holdouts of the Rizzo mythology &quot;when things were right&quot; or whatever who just seem to live in an alternative universe.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t look like Dremesi particularly cares for being mentioned in McCain campaign literature, or the South Philly for McCain people should do a bit more research on their adopted McCain surrogate (who below doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;d appreciate the association):</p><p><i>At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation&#8217;s capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It&#8217;s the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.</p><p>McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.</p><p>There&#8217;s a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a &#8220;confession&#8221; to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn&#8217;t survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service&#8217;s highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as &#8220;one of the toughest guys I&#8217;ve ever met.&#8221;</p><p>On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.</p><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m going to the Middle East,&#8221; Dramesi says. &#8220;Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Why are you going to the Middle East?&#8221; McCain asks, dismissively.</p><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a place we&#8217;re probably going to have some problems,&#8221; Dramesi says.</p><p>&#8220;Why? Where are you going to, John?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m going to Rio.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;What the hell are you going to Rio for?&#8221;</p><p>McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.</p><p>&#8220;I got a better chance of getting laid.&#8221;</p><p>Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. &#8220;McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man,&#8221; Dramesi says today. &#8220;But he&#8217;s still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in.&#8221;</i></p><p>From Rolling Stone &#8220;Make Believe Maverick&#8221;:</p><p><a
href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print</a></p><p>Also, according to this POW bio, it&#8217;s unclear whether Dramesi is really &#8220;from Philly&#8221;:</p><p><a
href="http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/d/d059.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/d/d059.htm</a></p><p>Lot of good people in South Philly, but there are some holdouts of the Rizzo mythology &#8220;when things were right&#8221; or whatever who just seem to live in an alternative universe.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MikeWebkist</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6791</link> <dc:creator>MikeWebkist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:27:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=15487#comment-6791</guid> <description>The real racial subtext here is old South Philly Italians vs. new South Philly Vietnamese.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real racial subtext here is old South Philly Italians vs. new South Philly Vietnamese.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jonasher</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2008/10/02/readers-write-south-philly-for-mccain-group-not-so-much-with-the-courage-the-truth-or-the-not-forgetting-where-you-came-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6790</link> <dc:creator>jonasher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:05:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/?p=15487#comment-6790</guid> <description>The McCain people in Philly seem to be just phoning it in as a whole (not that I really blame them).I got a call last week that went like this:&quot;Hi, uh...Is Susan Al...[mumble] there?&quot;
&quot;No you have the wrong number.&quot;
&quot;Oh well I guess anyway...Is there any way i could talk you into voting for McCain?&quot;
&quot;Nope.&quot;
&quot;Oh ok nevermind then.&quot;It was a very convincing argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The McCain people in Philly seem to be just phoning it in as a whole (not that I really blame them).</p><p>I got a call last week that went like this:</p><p>&#8220;Hi, uh&#8230;Is Susan Al&#8230;[mumble] there?&#8221;<br
/> &#8220;No you have the wrong number.&#8221;<br
/> &#8220;Oh well I guess anyway&#8230;Is there any way i could talk you into voting for McCain?&#8221;<br
/> &#8220;Nope.&#8221;<br
/> &#8220;Oh ok nevermind then.&#8221;</p><p>It was a very convincing argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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