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> <channel><title>Comments on: Friday&#8217;s Child: Sufjan Stevens, And The Removal Of The Teeth And Brains</title> <atom:link href="http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/</link> <description>philly&#039;s longest-standing cityblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:04:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: mikemikemike</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link> <dc:creator>mikemikemike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-139</guid> <description>Funny that the Decemberists-- one of the annoying bands that make impossible-to-disagree-with-jolly-sea-shanty music railed against in this post-- also happen to have their upcoming show advertised on this site. Who are their special guests, you ask? Lavendar Diamond, a band I have never heard of but can tell just from their name that I would rather listen to someone beat a baby with a cat.As for Sufjan Stevens... sure, he can be annoying with his contrived eccentricity, overworked falsetto and fey spirituality, but he does make &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; quality music. I feel as though there are so many other better targets to pin this on than him. Like Architecture in Helsinki and the Polyphonic Spree, for instance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that the Decemberists&#8211; one of the annoying bands that make impossible-to-disagree-with-jolly-sea-shanty music railed against in this post&#8211; also happen to have their upcoming show advertised on this site. Who are their special guests, you ask? Lavendar Diamond, a band I have never heard of but can tell just from their name that I would rather listen to someone beat a baby with a cat.</p><p>As for Sufjan Stevens&#8230; sure, he can be annoying with his contrived eccentricity, overworked falsetto and fey spirituality, but he does make <i>some</i> quality music. I feel as though there are so many other better targets to pin this on than him. Like Architecture in Helsinki and the Polyphonic Spree, for instance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Emmett</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link> <dc:creator>Emmett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:51:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-125</guid> <description>Here&#039;s something that both surprises and astounds me. I know Posi-Guy. I know who he is. His identity is not unknown to me. I have met him.Here&#039;s something else: I absolutely, positively cannot stand his taste in music. Whenever he has put on music for me, it has invariably been some band I have never heard of and quickly learn to hate. Seriously. I can&#039;t stand it. I know that he&#039;s going to read this comment, and I totally don&#039;t care. It&#039;s not like I&#039;m saying anything he doesn&#039;t already know.But here&#039;s another thing: I agree completely with what he&#039;s saying. This kind of retarded third-grade-talent-show fuckstickism isn&#039;t music. It used to be music. Talking Heads was an art band. DEVO was an art band. Their music was a trick to get you to look at something a little differently. From David Byrne&#039;s twisted view of the american suburbs to DEVO&#039;s corporate rock of devolution, there was an oddball subtext that worked.Every single one of these new indie-rock cocksmacks is the inevitable product of grade-school art teachers that didn&#039;t want to hurt anyone&#039;s feelings. No teeth, no brains, and a can-do attitude toward glitter glue and paper plates.These folks are the ones that ate the paste and were congratulated when they managed to throw up in the toilet, and not on their smock -- Their childhood regurgitations now served up, hot and steaming, to a willing and curiously supertolerant public that grew up with the same art teachers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something that both surprises and astounds me. I know Posi-Guy. I know who he is. His identity is not unknown to me. I have met him.</p><p>Here&#8217;s something else: I absolutely, positively cannot stand his taste in music. Whenever he has put on music for me, it has invariably been some band I have never heard of and quickly learn to hate. Seriously. I can&#8217;t stand it. I know that he&#8217;s going to read this comment, and I totally don&#8217;t care. It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m saying anything he doesn&#8217;t already know.</p><p>But here&#8217;s another thing: I agree completely with what he&#8217;s saying. This kind of retarded third-grade-talent-show fuckstickism isn&#8217;t music. It used to be music. Talking Heads was an art band. DEVO was an art band. Their music was a trick to get you to look at something a little differently. From David Byrne&#8217;s twisted view of the american suburbs to DEVO&#8217;s corporate rock of devolution, there was an oddball subtext that worked.</p><p>Every single one of these new indie-rock cocksmacks is the inevitable product of grade-school art teachers that didn&#8217;t want to hurt anyone&#8217;s feelings. No teeth, no brains, and a can-do attitude toward glitter glue and paper plates.</p><p>These folks are the ones that ate the paste and were congratulated when they managed to throw up in the toilet, and not on their smock &#8212; Their childhood regurgitations now served up, hot and steaming, to a willing and curiously supertolerant public that grew up with the same art teachers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nate</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link> <dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-124</guid> <description>I hate to comment twice on the same post but I can&#039;t resist. I am a proud Christian, so I am immune to that criticism. Here&#039;s the thing -- Sufjan is okay, but he just isn&#039;t all he&#039;s cracked up to be. Look at what the press writes about: the mini-orchestra, which is totally unnecessary, and is largely absent on many of the songs widely considered to be his best (&quot;John Wayne Gacy Jr&quot; and &quot;That Dress Looks Nice on You&quot; for example); the costumes, which are garish at best; and the concept albums, which aren&#039;t nearly as consistent as the theme-free Seven Swans.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to comment twice on the same post but I can&#8217;t resist. I am a proud Christian, so I am immune to that criticism. Here&#8217;s the thing &#8212; Sufjan is okay, but he just isn&#8217;t all he&#8217;s cracked up to be. Look at what the press writes about: the mini-orchestra, which is totally unnecessary, and is largely absent on many of the songs widely considered to be his best (&#8220;John Wayne Gacy Jr&#8221; and &#8220;That Dress Looks Nice on You&#8221; for example); the costumes, which are garish at best; and the concept albums, which aren&#8217;t nearly as consistent as the theme-free Seven Swans.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rbpeeple</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link> <dc:creator>rbpeeple</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-123</guid> <description>sweeney et al-disclosure:  i am a fan of sufjan.  he&#039;s been in my top20 rotation for the past year.  i haven&#039;t been to church in 15 years.i was at the concert that you&#039;re denigrating, and although the costumes were a bit weird for my taste - my music stood on its own.  the 14 piece orchestra that accompanied him wasn&#039;t fluff - it was there to approximate how his ALBUMS sound.  the experience was POWERFUL...like a rock and roll chamber orchestra.as far as the christianity bent goes - so what?  does it offend you that the man has God in his life?  to his credit, his music&#039;s references to faith are ambiguous and NON-JUDGMENTAL - unlike you...who judges EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.don&#039;t hate the guy because he sells out The Tower and you can&#039;t fill The Fire.  your envy is sad.one day you will don khakies for a corporate casual dress friday.  you will become what you abhor (aka - mainstream).now make fun of my post.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweeney et al-</p><p>disclosure:  i am a fan of sufjan.  he&#8217;s been in my top20 rotation for the past year.  i haven&#8217;t been to church in 15 years.</p><p>i was at the concert that you&#8217;re denigrating, and although the costumes were a bit weird for my taste &#8211; my music stood on its own.  the 14 piece orchestra that accompanied him wasn&#8217;t fluff &#8211; it was there to approximate how his ALBUMS sound.  the experience was POWERFUL&#8230;like a rock and roll chamber orchestra.</p><p>as far as the christianity bent goes &#8211; so what?  does it offend you that the man has God in his life?  to his credit, his music&#8217;s references to faith are ambiguous and NON-JUDGMENTAL &#8211; unlike you&#8230;who judges EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.</p><p>don&#8217;t hate the guy because he sells out The Tower and you can&#8217;t fill The Fire.  your envy is sad.</p><p>one day you will don khakies for a corporate casual dress friday.  you will become what you abhor (aka &#8211; mainstream).</p><p>now make fun of my post.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nate</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link> <dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:35:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-120</guid> <description>I think the point is more that Sufjan Stevens writes a lot of mediocre songs with an occasional standout, but is worshipped as the second coming of Christ Himself because he uses all kinds of ridiculous gimmicks like mini-orchestras, costumes, and albums about states.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is more that Sufjan Stevens writes a lot of mediocre songs with an occasional standout, but is worshipped as the second coming of Christ Himself because he uses all kinds of ridiculous gimmicks like mini-orchestras, costumes, and albums about states.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lord_whimsy</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link> <dc:creator>lord_whimsy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-119</guid> <description>A pointless rant in between washing shirts:I don&#039;t listen to any of the bands listed here, including whatever Sufjan Whatshisface is doing, but I&#039;m not sure that I entirely go along with the point of view in this post, either. It seems very romantic and vaguely Christian, and preoccupied with questions like &quot;Where&#039;s the meaning? Where&#039;s the guts? Where&#039;s the suffering? Where&#039;s the redemption?&quot; This &quot;gotta go through sin to gain salvation&quot; sensibility seems a very traditional, conservative way of looking at music and art in general.Those making light, serene, amusing, playful and optimistic art are likely to be quite aware of the grim realities of everyday life. To wallow in synthetic pain and sorrow seems to be a luxury for those without pain or sorrow of their own. Why add to the ugliness and despair? If the bands named above are guitly of being hopelessly twee and childish, then those who harbor a love of &quot;grit&quot; &quot;aggression&quot; and &quot;realness&quot; are hopelessly adolescent. It&#039;s just as self-indulgent, only more disengenuous.The happiest music seems to have emerged from places and times when people were suffering most: look at the cheerful reels from plague-ridden Medieval Europe, the gandy dancing songs and jug bands of the American South, or the sprightly works of 18th century composers when courts all over the continent were in upheaval. Nearly every kind of traditional folk music in the world is rife with jigs or dances of some kind. Wanna know why? Thangs was &lt;i&gt;hard&lt;/i&gt; then, cousin. No wallowing on a comfy couch with a full belly and tastefully weathered thriftwear, that&#039;s for sure.Dylan was and is a showman/charlatan who uses masks aplenty; any artist worth their salt does this--ask Bowie. Much of the perceived &quot;meaning&quot; or authenticity&quot; is projection on the part of the listener, who is subject to the manipulations of the artist who suggest &quot;sadness&quot; or &quot;depth&quot; by messing with formal elements like tempo and instrumentation. Is Springsteen somehow more worthy because he employs certain masks which suggest a grizzled street poet espousing hard-won wisdom? Has he really gone through more suffering in his life than, say, Boy George?We should defy this darkness around us--to reflect it is merely to use its vocabulary, to buy into its bleak worldview, and to ultimately acquiesce to its demands. More costumes! More showmanship! More LIGHT! We should be open about our fakery--it&#039;s the only kind of authenticity there is.~W</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pointless rant in between washing shirts:</p><p>I don&#8217;t listen to any of the bands listed here, including whatever Sufjan Whatshisface is doing, but I&#8217;m not sure that I entirely go along with the point of view in this post, either. It seems very romantic and vaguely Christian, and preoccupied with questions like &#8220;Where&#8217;s the meaning? Where&#8217;s the guts? Where&#8217;s the suffering? Where&#8217;s the redemption?&#8221; This &#8220;gotta go through sin to gain salvation&#8221; sensibility seems a very traditional, conservative way of looking at music and art in general.</p><p>Those making light, serene, amusing, playful and optimistic art are likely to be quite aware of the grim realities of everyday life. To wallow in synthetic pain and sorrow seems to be a luxury for those without pain or sorrow of their own. Why add to the ugliness and despair? If the bands named above are guitly of being hopelessly twee and childish, then those who harbor a love of &#8220;grit&#8221; &#8220;aggression&#8221; and &#8220;realness&#8221; are hopelessly adolescent. It&#8217;s just as self-indulgent, only more disengenuous.</p><p>The happiest music seems to have emerged from places and times when people were suffering most: look at the cheerful reels from plague-ridden Medieval Europe, the gandy dancing songs and jug bands of the American South, or the sprightly works of 18th century composers when courts all over the continent were in upheaval. Nearly every kind of traditional folk music in the world is rife with jigs or dances of some kind. Wanna know why? Thangs was <i>hard</i> then, cousin. No wallowing on a comfy couch with a full belly and tastefully weathered thriftwear, that&#8217;s for sure.</p><p>Dylan was and is a showman/charlatan who uses masks aplenty; any artist worth their salt does this&#8211;ask Bowie. Much of the perceived &#8220;meaning&#8221; or authenticity&#8221; is projection on the part of the listener, who is subject to the manipulations of the artist who suggest &#8220;sadness&#8221; or &#8220;depth&#8221; by messing with formal elements like tempo and instrumentation. Is Springsteen somehow more worthy because he employs certain masks which suggest a grizzled street poet espousing hard-won wisdom? Has he really gone through more suffering in his life than, say, Boy George?</p><p>We should defy this darkness around us&#8211;to reflect it is merely to use its vocabulary, to buy into its bleak worldview, and to ultimately acquiesce to its demands. More costumes! More showmanship! More LIGHT! We should be open about our fakery&#8211;it&#8217;s the only kind of authenticity there is.</p><p>~W</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: frankenslade</title><link>http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link> <dc:creator>frankenslade</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philebrity.com/2006/10/27/fridays-child-sufjan-stevens-and-the-removal-of-the-teeth-and-brains/#comment-116</guid> <description>You man among men, you! Where have you been? I encourage - no, implore! - you to check out Rock Town Hall (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rocktownhall/), a place where these issues and others are hashed out with the kind of clear-sighted, tough love you display.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You man among men, you! Where have you been? I encourage &#8211; no, implore! &#8211; you to check out Rock Town Hall (<a
href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rocktownhall/" rel="nofollow">http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rocktownhall/</a>), a place where these issues and others are hashed out with the kind of clear-sighted, tough love you display.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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